Why no more in church?

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With prayer, Fr. Pawel

Below some short reflections which do not comprise an exhaustive list.

  • Why go to church?
  • Excused are…
  • Regarding your kids…

 

 Why go to church?

  1. Our body needs a cycle of work and rest. So does our inner life. On a regular basis we need to stop and remember where we are running to, actually.
  2. We have to rediscover over and over again that without the resurrection of Christ the whole life and every single trivial step in between would have a different meaning.
  3. We need to reconnect with others who share our values. We need to repeatedly observe that others confess their sins, listen to the Word, sing to the Lord, etc.
  4. Prayer and preaching from others provide us with a necessary external perspective that would be missing if we relied solely on our private devotions, becoming victims of our own subjective moods.
  5. According to the Bible we cannot have a good access to God outside of a faith community.
  6. Going to church every Sunday is thus an expression of my love toward God, my family, others, and MYSELF.
  7. Going to church every Sunday does not mean that I like it every time. It means that I understand the importance of my values and stick to them regardless of my mood on a particular day. The payoffs from my values will start appearing only if I live my values consistently.

Excused from Mass are Catholics in case of:

  • illness, care of infants, other grave situations
  • particular reasons – if dispensed by their own pastor

If we really understand “Why go to church?”, few occasions will really “logically” explain our skipping Mass. Another question might be helpful: “What else important do I do regularly (except for work)? Would I skip it on such an occasion?”

 

  Regarding your kids…

I am not a family father. Your practical experiences and reflections are, of course, more valid. Below are mine. Most are the repetition from the discussion about sports. Feel free to fiercely chop them to pieces and present yours. I would emphasize especially point 10.

  

  1. God is with you in this challenge and he sees your honest efforts. He sees your pain and He shares it with you wholeheartedly.
  2. You have to know why YOU yourself go to Mass on a regular basis even if you were the only Catholic on Earth.
  3. Your life (not words) has to be a testimony that living with God is better than without him.
  4. Your child will question religion as such in some manner as a natural part of growing up.
  5. Your child will question your values and try out others as a natural part of growing up.
  6. With certain age s/he has to be allowed to make certain choices for her/himself. As a good parent/friend you will make sure they know your position and reasons for it, but they will decide for themselves. When this principle starts to apply also to Mass will vary from family to family and from child to child.
  7. Discussion about Mass belongs to every family (also non-religious) and they are only part of a bigger universal discussion about values, about right and wrong. The occurrence of such discussions should be as normal as conversations about cleaning up.
  8. If the Mass and e.g. football are both the will of God for your child, then there must be a solution to seeming conflicts and God will help us find these solutions.
  9. You can insist on going to church to some point because the dilemma and the temptation will continue throughout the entire life of your child anyway.
  10. No matter what you do, God has to touch the hearts of your children in order for them to choose Him when they grow up. If this happens, they will continue going to church once on their own. If this personal encounter with God does not happen in their lives for some reason, they will probably discontinue going one day anyway. Their openness to God is essential. We cannot produce the personal encounter with God but we can facilitate it and pray for it.
  11. We do not pray for wisdom for ourselves. We do not pray for wisdom for our kids. We tell God specifically what to do regarding our kids and then lose faith because He did not comply fast enough.
  12. Regarding blame I am not sure whether pointing fingers or splitting hair here makes any difference to anybody at all. Lay in front of God what you think is your fault, receive His forgiveness, do your penance and start living a new life of a forgiven Christian. Maybe THAT has been missing all the time?
  13. Some of the parents seem to be CALLED by God to live in Christian faith, dignity and hope this painful fact that their kids abandoned the Church, despite the best efforts of the parents. Others are called to live in dignity as infertile, poor or disabled, etc. without knowing why.

Responses

  1. Fr. Pawel,
    Regarding point #6 – At what age do you feel a child/teen should make their own choice about going to mass?

  2. Dear Sherry,
    I would think as long as they live with you and are under 18, but whether it is workable I cannot say for sure, having no kids at home myself. I would really hope that in the next weeks some parents share their opinions about that.

  3. Dear Sherry,
    In response to your question, about what age a child/teen should make their own choice about going to mass, I feel that it is important for you, as a parent to guide them to mass each week. Our youth are very impressionable, and need guidance at many points in their life; just as God is there to guide us when we make our choices.

    I believe that kids want to have control of how they do things in their life, but at the same time we need to fulfill God’s will and guide them to Mass each week. I challenged myself with this question once: If a car were coming down the street, and my sons basketball went into the street, would I let him go after it, or would I guide him and say NO! don’t get the ball yet. I would guide him and make sure he was safe.
    This somewhat parallels the issue of letting them make their own choice to go/not to go to Mass.
    Just something to think about. Good luck!

  4. on point #4, my daughter who will soon be 13 has already questioned her faith and the battle I face is that my husband, her dad, does not embrace any faith so therefore this young girl is seeing that her father doesn’t believe and rolls her eyes anytime I talk to her about her faith. Although she still goes to church every Sunday, I feel that in her mind she is thinking that it is a waste of time. How do we combat this? Of course we cont. to go to mass and being active in our parish will continue, I feel helpless at changing her heart. Any suggestions?

  5. Dear hsmom, I will be happy to join you in thinking. My first question is, however, whether you had some time to look at the reflections we all have made above. What from the suggestions so far on this blog page would you find helpful in your situation? What do you find missing? Blessing.

  6. MsAnAZ – Thank you for your response. My daughter is in college and living at home and does not want to go to church anymore. Any thoughts? Anyone? What are your “house rules” regarding adult children living at home and church attendance?

  7. Dear Fr.Pawel, I absolutely agree with # 10 in that they have to have a personal encounter with the Lord to “own” their faith. My thoughts on this is that I as a parent will provide the following:
    1. attending mass every Sunday without question
    2. praying all the time and asking the Lord to touch her in a special way
    3. mulling over spending time in adoration, did that with my son in 7th grade for a 1/2 hr. each week, however don’t know if all this “catholic stuff” as she puts it will push her away further, so I haven’t started this with her yet.
    What are your thoughts Father on too much “pushing this stuff”….we also attend daily mass every Friday and have a first Friday devotion to the Sacred Heart, am I “pushing too much?” Thanks for your input.

  8. Hi Sherry, I fortunately have a college aged son who attends mass on Sunday, however one of his friends when going to college, decided he didn’t want to go to mass anymore. My son was praying for him and I would think that his parents also were. Hopefully they were setting the example and going to mass, because I believe that actions say more than words. So I would say to let them make that decision, but you as a parent cont. to go to mass and pray everyday for her. Perhaps a special novena would help, St. Joseph was in charge of the Holy Family, maybe one to him would be good. Peace!

  9. Sherry (reply to 2/13 entry)
    I have two ASU students who chose to live at home so they will be debt free when they graduate. As part of that agreement /at the time of enrollment, we set some rules for “still living under my roof” . We actually had a contract signing session :) . There was some negotiating, but one of those rules included attending weekly mass. We make plans early in the week to include Sunday mass. My concession is I go where they go whenever possible and they go where they like/can fit it in. Sometimes that’s 10:30, sometimes Teen mass and sometimes the Newman Center. I try to get a little additional time with them by offering breakfast, Jamba Juice, or pizza at Nello’s, etc. after mass when we can attend together . Peace.


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